MENS Society at British universities….
…drinking clubs or support groups? You decide.
From the Guardian:
Rise of male student support groups sparks row at British universities• Support groups explore masculinity as a concept
• Critics claim societies a front for ‘macho activities’
Caroline Davies The Guardian, Monday 23 November 2009 larger | smaller Article history
A male student at Oxford University, where he can join MC-O should he wish to explore masculinity with his male peers. Photograph: Oli Scarff/Getty Images
After decades of feminism, equal rights and “women-only” support networks, a lower, deeper voice is attempting to make itself heard at some of Britain’s leading universities.
Male students are “manning-up”, setting up men’s groups to celebrate and explore the concept of masculinity amid accusations of sexism and gender stereotyping.
Manchester University has created the first official MENS Society - Masculinity Exploring Networking and Support - despite outrage from critics who claim the existence of such a group undermines women’s ability to speak out for equality.
Meanwhile, at Oxford University the formation of Man Collective - Oxford (MC-O), launched “as a response to the current state of masculinity” has been branded “reactionary and ridiculous”.
Detractors allege they are just a front for macho activities and beer-drinking marathons, but supporters insist they are essential as young men struggle to cope with the pressures of being a man in the modern world.
Alex Linsley, 20, founder of MC-O, said: “There is so much conflicting information for men. There is massive confusion as to what being a man means, and how to be a good man. Should you be the sensitive all-caring, perhaps the ‘feminised’ man? Or should you be the hard, take no crap from anybody kind of figure?
“Neither of those are particularly useful paradigms. But there’s perhaps things we could learn from both perspectives”.
Men, who could feel pressured to “man-up” in a mixed gender environment, might feel less vulnerable discussing such issues in a male-only setting.
The Merton college student admits launching his organisation with the testosterone-fuelled invitation - “Have you got balls? Literally. If you have how does that make you feel?” - has drawn stinging criticism.
Given that men already dominate political and economic life, British society didn’t need “much more celebration of masculinity,” claimed one critic.
Kat Wall, the Oxford University’s student union vice president for women, accused him of gender stereotyping but welcomed the debate and hoped he would work with the women’s campaign to “facilitate a discussion forum on the issue of masculinity”.
But Linsley, an economics and management student who started MC-O after being struck by the number of 18- to 25-year-old males committing suicide in Oxford, has also received positive feedback.
While self-improvement among women was common with magazines bursting with advice, there was little for men, was the message. “Do you expect men to mysteriously find their own way alone?” questioned one supporter on the Cherwell university newspaper website.
“I want to create this forum for men, so men can learn from each other and discuss these issues and make a positive step forward,” said Linsley.
In Manchester, the MENS Society, which despite its name has women among its 306 members, claims it highlights not just masculinity issues, but also raises funds and awareness for men’s mental health, testicular and prostate cancer as well as male rape and domestic violence issues.
Its campaign for official ratification from the student union’s societies committee has provoked furious debate. Originally called the Men’s Society, it has now agreed to the MENS compromise. Founder Ben Wild, 21, a politics and modern history student, said he was “relieved that the societies committee has acknowledged the importance and promising benefits of this new society, the first of it’s kind in a UK university”.
“Why have one? Because so little was being done on raising awareness on issues specific to men, such as male depression, which occurs because they can’t live up to this very idealised traditional masculine role,” he said.
Such arguments hold little sway with opponents, however.
Olivia Bailey, NUS national women’s officer, said: “Discrimination against men on the basis of gender is so unusual as to be non-existent, so what exactly will a men’s society do?”
“To suggest that men need a specific space to be ‘men’ is ludicrous, when everywhere you turn you will find male-dominated spaces,” she added.
Caitriona Rylance, chair of Manchester Communist Students, said that while the society now claimed to be about “self-betterment” it’s original aims were “Top Gear shows, gadget fairs, beer-drinking marathons and Iron Man competitions”.
Wild responded: “There has been so much false information peddled. I’m teetotal, and our first event was a sober pub crawl. And we’ve compromised on our beard-growing contests to make it more inclusive.”
Professor Marilyn Davidson, an expert in diversity and equality at the Manchester Business School said: “It is interesting that this is happening. And there is an obvious need. One of the problems men have is that they don’t have the support networks when they are under stress that women do.
“If we were talking about business and all-male clubs, they were the gatekeepers who were stopping women entering. But I don’t think these groups are doing that. It’s not us against them. It’s just about supporting each other.”
Patrick Leman, from Royal Holloway University of London, said: “In some senses it is to be welcomed, because it is good that young men reflect on who they are and what they should be doing. That sort of reflected self-awareness is not something that is particularly associated with men. But I went to Oxford, and it could, of course, just turn into another awful drinking society.”
However, Martin Daubney, 39, editor of the lads’ magazine Loaded, was contemptuous. “I don’t think men are remotely confused about what it takes to be a man. They just get on and do it. My generation would not sit round and build a website about being confused. It’s complete navel-gazing bullshit.”
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November 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Drinking clubs or support groups? Well that question’s not too difficult to answer. The Manchester MENS Society is a bunch of loutish chauvinists who produce leaflets saying they wish to engage in “uber-manly” activities together, consistently argue that men are an oppressed minority group and have a Facebook page full of comments such as “gays r not cool” and “I FUCKING HATE THE GAYS”. Their founder expressed interest in holding Straight Pride and their treasurer cites their favourite historical figure as Goebbels, one of the orchestrators of the Nazi holocaust. Honestly, only the most media savvy folks could have got themselves branded as “support groups” in the national media when everyone here on campus, knows what intimidating wannabe macho men they are.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Ahh Kirsty what tripe you trill. “Radical” feminist or hysterical little girl? Im not sure which stereotype you aspire to, but you do a great job of embodying both.
Men are an oppressed minority group within University especially Manchester! You only have to use the evidence of your own eyes to see that. And whats wrong straight pride? Homosexual people are allowed to show their joy at being gay so why not straight people? Are you so pc to deny the majority of the population the chance to glorify in their sexuality whilst a minority enjoy theirs (and block traffic into the bargain)?
You are an idiot. Please stop posting your revisionist hate where sensible people can see it.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Frankly, there is an opportunity for a LOT of nit-picking here! There is an opportunity to attack those who we feel “victimized by”. This is all a conversation that debating about will not resolve!
MEN and WOMEN both need these groups. Neither gender should have dominance. And it is only that by standing in EQUALITY, that we can achieve what we need. Both are guilty of trying to “outdo the other”. There is a danger on both sides that we try to attack the other because we feel victimized.
Everyone, we have a choice: we can either stand in complete equality for both sexes (recognizing and celebrating differences); or we can stand in “men have been getting victimized by feminists for so long, it’s time we stood up to their BS and took control”, or even “men have been dominating women for too long, it’s time we give them a taste of their own medicine”. Believe me, depending on what side of bed I wake up on in the morning, I can waver between either of those opinions - neither are helpful!
This article hit such a nerve for some. It is time men formed to stand for INTEGRITY. It is time they stood for EQUALITY. I say men, because well, I’m a man. I would invite women to do the same. We have an opportunity to WORK TOGETHER. All this victimized talk on both sides, it has neither move from their position. Does it? Really? Apart from making ourselves feel “Right!”.
Let’s move forward and recognize that whatever patriarchal society we live in is unhealthy for both MEN AND WOMEN! Time to celebrate our differences…
Marc